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#1 al-CIAda

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 02:17 AM

I'm aware of the hadith that says you should not offer salams to a non-muslim first and if you respond to their salams you respond with "wa alaikum".

what i'm wondering is... do you get a sin if you offer salams to them first?

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 03:44 AM

My personal opinion is:

I don't see why you would be committing a sin by offering salams first. It's just an act of kindness, I'd think.

I know you weren't looking for my personal opinion, but I just had to throw it in there, because it makes some sense I'd think.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 04:16 AM

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 04:28 AM

I try my best not to reply to non-muslims in full, but every now and then it does slip out. I know a few non muslims ( some are christians and others are athiests ) who have learnt how to say "asalam alaikum" from some muslim, somewhere. Like this customer i had yesterday, he had worked in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Malaysia years and years ago,.. he was telling me how much he loves muslims and so on and on.. :)
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 04:35 AM

wassalamu alaikum

wa alaikum.

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thanks for talking to me like i'm a kafir. awful nice of you.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:28 AM

I'm aware of the hadith that says you should not offer salams to a non-muslim first and if you respond to their salams you respond with "wa alaikum".

what i'm wondering is... do you get a sin if you offer salams to them first?

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do u mean, salam as in "assalam alaykum"

or

do u mean, salam as in a greeting, like "hi, how are you?"
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:41 AM

My personal opinion is:

I don't see why you would be committing a sin by offering salams first. It's just an act of kindness, I'd think.

I know you weren't looking for my personal opinion, but I just had to throw it in there, because it makes some sense I'd think.

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Akhi i love you for the sake of Allah, But i have to advice you, talking and commenting on a issue that you don't have knowledge is a sin it self.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:51 AM

There is a Hindu guy in my work and every now and then he'd say AsalamoAlaikum to me.... I normally reply Wa Alaikum. Yesterday he completed my sentence.

Him: Asalamo alaikum
Hameed: Wa Alaikum
Him: Asalaam

I do say "Hi, G'morning, etc" first, but Allaho Alam if it is sinful to do so.
I'd think it is not apropriate to say the full Salaam to them (first), if not sinful but not sure about other greetings...


Edit: I was listening to a lecture by Sheikh Khalid Yasin and he said it is ok to say Salaam, as the prophet used to say, Peace be with the seekers of the truth, but he didn't say whether it was ok to say it first or not... but that was strictly in regards to Da'wah. I'd assume it is ok to say Salaam to people who come to learn about Islam.

One thing I know that the fact Muslims didn't reply with full Salaam to non-Muslims because Jews used to come and say Asawm Alaikum (spell?) which I think means "May death be upon you". Once a jew said this to prophet and Aaisha (RA) got angry in front of the prophet (PBUH) and said "May death be upon you, your mother, your father...."

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Giving Salams to Non-Muslims - from SunniPath

Edited by hameed, 10 August 2007 - 10:02 AM.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:01 AM

One thing I know that the fact Muslims didn't reply with full Salaam to non-Muslims because Jews used to come and say Asawm Alaikum (spell?) which I think means "May death be upon you". Once a jew said this to prophet and Aaisha (RA) got angry in front of the prophet (PBUH) and said "May death be upon you, your mother, your father...."


but wasn't that because they didn't give the proper salam, they said "May death be upon you?"

Aisha (ra) got angry, but the Prophet (SAW) told her she should have just said "to you as well" (i.e. wa alaikum)

not sure if that story applies in this case, because the Jews didn't greet the Prophet (SAW), they swore at him under the guise of a greeting.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:06 AM

but wasn't that because they didn't give the proper salam, they said "May death be upon you?"

Aisha (ra) got angry, but the Prophet (SAW) told her she should have just said "to you as well" (i.e. wa alaikum)

not sure if that story applies in this case, because the Jews didn't greet the Prophet (SAW), they swore at him under the guise of a greeting.

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I agree. It don't think it applies, I wrote it since it was the reason why Muslims used to say only Wa Alaikum to Jews back then
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:13 AM

QA from IOL

It says it is impremissible to innitiate greeting of "Salaam" to non-Muslims (doesn't say whether we can say hi or not). So it is obvious that one commits a sin if he/she does what is inot allowed. However Ibn Qayyim says in his Ahkam Ahl Adh-Dhimmah that if you are absolutely sure that they said Asalamu Alaikum properly then you should say the full reply.

[b][url="http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544320"]Is It Allowed to greet non-Muslims with the words "As-Salamu `Alaykum
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 03:15 PM

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 03:16 PM

so we can't say the salaam, but can we say "hi" (i.e. non-islamic greetings)?
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 05:56 PM

thanks for talking to me like i'm a kafir. awful nice of you.

Oh. :oops: :oops: :oops: I read your post as you saying "non-mahram" not "non-muslim"- sorry!! :oops:
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 07:48 PM

Edit: I was listening to a lecture by Sheikh Khalid Yasin and he said it is ok to say Salaam, as the prophet used to say, Peace be with the seekers of the truth, but he didn't say whether it was ok to say it first or not...

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Actually, he often quoted a hadith that stated that a greeting should be returned with a greeting that is equal or better. I don't know the source of this hadith. It was quoted in a khutba delivered in GIYC, Liverpool.

Brother Khalid himself would say "assalamu ala man ittaba
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:26 PM

Assalamu Alaikum,

The Holy Quranic is very clear in regards to greetings:

Sura 4:86 When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things.

This is supported by the following 4:94: Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer"

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:29 PM

hmmmm..

someone is giving you a greeting of peace and you are certain that they are saying peace.. well im not sure why its forbidden to return that greeting.. in fact it sounds downright snobbish.. its like someone offering their hand for you to shake and you not shaking..

lets especially look at the meaning here.. if someone offers you peace in a greeting, and you refuse to give it back then they may take that to mean you have hostile intentions.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:33 PM

And can I just stress this point although it has already been mentioned. This is specifically when using the words "Asalamu Alaykum WaRahmatuallahi WaBarakatuhu" It does not refer to any other type of greeting. Meaning, you say be the first to say "Hi, Goodmorning" watever, but with "Asalamu Alaykum WaRahamatullahi WaBarakatuhu" then this greeting is resevred for Muslims.

Plus, I don't think you'll be ever greated with "Asalamu Alaykum WaRahamatullahi WaBarakatuhu" by a non-Muslim. I doubt most even know what it means.

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 09:51 PM

Plus, I don't think you'll be ever greated with "Asalamu Alaykum WaRahamatullahi WaBarakatuhu" by a non-Muslim. I doubt most even know what it means.

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you forget that there are arab non muslims... :dance:
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:00 PM

Assalamu Alaikum,

The Holy Quranic is very clear in regards to greetings:

Sura 4:86 When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things.

This is supported by the following 4:94: Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer"

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You can't randomely apply general texts to specific cases, especially when specific texts on that issue exist.
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Posted 10 August 2007 - 10:20 PM

you forget that there are arab non muslims... :dance:

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Absolutley, but in my experience- and only my experience. I can always tell a Muslim arab from a non-Muslim arab, just by the way they greet. Really common in Egypt that a non-Muslim won't say "Asalamu Alaykum WaRahamatullahi WaBarakatuhu" but rather "Hiiii" Although of course, there are exceptions.

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 02:29 AM

My house mate is from Saudi Arabia. I always greet him and his guests with "Salam."

I wasn't aware that some people might not appreciate this? I do this as a way of showing my respect for them and their culture. Once I gave my house mate a lift to the Gold Coast mosque for friday prayers and he said he wouldn't take long so I just waited in the car for him and read some uni lectures. An elderly man who was parked next to me approached his car and I think he went to say "Salam" but then saw me and thought there was very slim chance that I was a Muslim (blonde, blue eyes and dressed like your average "Aussie" Gold Coast uni student). I greeted him with a salam and he returned my greeting and smiled.

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 02:32 AM

I guess the main reason I greet my Muslim friends with Salam is because I am very interested in Islam and I see it as a way of bridging the divide.
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Posted 11 August 2007 - 02:35 AM

I guess the main reason I greet my Muslim friends with Salam is because I am very interested in Islam and I see it as a way of bridging the divide.

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dont worry yourself my friend.. if your intention is good then say it.. some people may think that you are trying to patronise though but some ppl are like that.. if u greeted me with salams, i would return it anyday, and may ALLAH guide u my friend
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Posted 11 August 2007 - 08:51 AM

Assalamu Alaikum,

I have not randomly applied a general text that happens to be the Holy Quran because within we can find instructions for this specific case for us as Muslims. The other texts that you allude to are highly divisive, as we have seen so far in this discussion so far. When specific texts are highly divisive we can safely return to the simple instruction of the Holy Quran on that issue.

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 11:12 AM

I'm aware of the hadith that says you should not offer salams to a non-muslim first and if you respond to their salams you respond with "wa alaikum".

what i'm wondering is... do you get a sin if you offer salams to them first?

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The word "salam" is not just a word for greeting like "Hello" in English. It has a wider meaning than just a greeting word. When a person says : Assalamualaykum has not said just "Hello" , but has said: "peace upon you, I wish health for you, I wish success for you and in one word I wish you all the best" .
So if we consider the wide meaning of the word "Salam" then it makes sense that we should not use that word for Non-Muslims. If you say: Muslims should be kind, how come they don't evenh say Hello to Non-Muslims? I answer: No it's not about "Hello" , to use the word "hello" is much different wit the word "Salam" , if we say Assalamualaykum to a Non-Muslim we have wished all peace and success and all the best for him or her. So do you want a Non-Muslim to be successful in his or her religion? Do you want a Non-Muslim to be successful in worshiping dolls? Ofcourse not, so that's why prophet has said that hadith.
Prophet was so kind to everybody and smiling to everyone including Non-Muslim, so being polite to Non-Muslim is different , and this Hadith is not in conflict with it.
I don't know what "Hello" exactly mean, MAYBE we can say the English word "Hello" to Non-Muslims. Wassalaamu Alalmumeneen

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 12:22 PM

Salaam

Just because we don't use the formal greeting of Asalamu Alaikum Warhmat Allahu Wabarakatu with non-Muslims does not mean we are negatively judging them or allow us to treat them badly. It is simply that this form of greeting is reserved for Muslims.

Here is the full Sunnipath answer linked to above:

[quote]Giving Salams to Non-Muslims

Answered by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari

http://qa.sunnipath....ID=1953&CATE=34


In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:37 AM

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The other texts that you allude to are highly divisive, as we have seen so far in this discussion so far.  When specific texts are highly divisive we can safely return to the simple instruction of the Holy Quran on that issue. 

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Do you realise that you are referring to the speech of The Prophet Muhammad :saws: here?
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:53 PM

Assalamu Alaikum Abdul Rahman,

Do you realise that I was not referring to the speech of The Prophet Muhammad but instead I was referring to the following texts?

1. Giving Salams to Non-Muslims
2. Is It Allowed to greet non-Muslims with the words "As-Salamu `Alaykum
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Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:36 AM

Then you must admit that the Quran alone is insufficient to reach a conclusion since it has been qualified by the speech of The Messenger of Allah :saws:

wa alaykum as-salam brother.
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