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Khamenei And The Iranian Regime Vs. President Ahmadinejad

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#1 furry_animal

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:30 PM

This is a longish paper, so I have only copied across the intro bit.

And it is only the first of 3 articles (!)

I haven't read it closely yet myself - I've only had a quick scan. So apols in advance if anything in this article contravenes forum rules (but I'm pretty sure it is OK).

But it does look interesting (and yes, I ackowledge the views that many hold re: MEMRI...).

Iranian Supreme Leader Khamenei and the Iranian Regime vs. President Ahmadinejad

Part I: Messianic Group Threatens the Regime

By: A. Savyon and Y. Mansharof*

*A. Savyon is Director of the Iranian Media Project; Y. Mansharof is a research fellow at MEMRI.


This paper is the first in a series of three dealing with the rift in Iran's top echelon between Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which emerged into the open in May 2011. This rift has important ramifications for Iranian politics and also for the shape that the country will take, as it veers between two ideological/political streams: the conservative Islamic revolutionary stream and the messianic Islamic revolutionary stream.

This first paper, Part I, will discuss the rift between the streams and the ideological/political challenge that Ahmadinejad, with the force of his personality and his messianic path, has thrown down to Supreme Leader Khamenei.

Parts II and III will discuss Khamenei's response to the crisis. Part II will deal with the efforts by Khamenei's associates, primarily in the six months before the rift became public in May 2011, to bolster the legitimacy of his regime by glorifying him and presenting him as an imam, while Part III will deal with Khamenei's examination of the possibility of eliminating the presidency and replacing it with a parliamentary system, as a way of removing his rivals Ahmadinejad and Hashemi Rafsanjani.

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#2 jasminee


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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:13 AM

*A. Savyon is Director of the Iranian Media Project; Y. Mansharof is a research fellow at MEMRI.

enough said.

Don't waste your time, and space quoting deception from the intellectual-terrorists of MEMRI.
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 12:17 AM

enough said.

Don't waste your time, and space quoting deception from the intellectual-terrorists of MEMRI.

Did you read it before making that comment?
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:27 AM

I read some but gave up after reading quite a bit about 'satan's involvement'..

Oh furry-animal !!! "(and yes, I ackowledge the views that many hold re: MEMRI...)."...from your link the following extract from supposed undeclared sources

Recently, the French news agency AFP stated that according to an intelligence report by a reliable country, the reason for the rift was President Ahmadinejad's wish to publicly announce Iran's military nuclear program, while Khamenei preferred that it be kept under wraps.

Reader Discretion toward MEMRI's publications is advised.

At risk of offending Fatma; MEMRI is founded by a bunch of Jewish Zionists. Including Yigal Carmon, an [former] Israeli Intelligence Colonel; Israeli Meyrav Wurmser, wife of David Wurmser who along with Richard Pearle authored “ A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm ” which contains six pages of policy recommendations for Benjamin Netanyahu outlining strategies for Israel laying out plans to attack certain Mid East countries.

MEMRI was also responsible for disseminating the fabricated Ahmadinejad "wipe Israel off the map" "miss"-quote.

In Early August 2011 U.S. State Department announced a $200,000 grant for MEMRI

"to expand its efforts to monitor the media, translate materials into ten languages, analyze trends in anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial and glorification, and increase distribution of materials through its website and other outlets."

"Finding examples of anti-Semitism is already a robust MEMRI project and one wonders why exactly they needed the cash: According to publicly available tax filings, MEMRI had nearly $5 million in revenue in 2007 and more than $4.5 million in revenue in 2008. "

"MEMRI has faced accusations of mistranslating items and cherry-picking incendiary sources to portray regional media and attitudes in an overly-negative fashion. One of the most common issues has been with MEMRI’s mistranslations which appear to show anti-Semitism on thin evidence. In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert checked MEMRI’s translations of a Palestinian children’s program against those provided by the cable news channel’s own interpreters:"

Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying – quote - ‘We will annihilate the Jews.’ But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says ‘The Jews are killing us.’ MEMRI told us it stood by its translation.

"An early archived version [see link] of the “about page” of MEMRI’s website lists five staff members, three of whom (including Carmon) have backgrounds in Israeli military intelligence. The same page lists one of MEMRI’s missions as “emphasiz(ing) the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel”

"MEMRI was cited 16 times in the so-called manifesto of anti-Muslim right-wing Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik, showing up even more when MEMRITV was included. "

etc etc etc http://thinkprogress...t-memri-neocon/

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:35 PM

For those like jasminee who dismissed the notion (above) of conflict between Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, this will come as a rude shock.

To others, it won't.

Iran: Khameini Trounces Ahmadinejad

Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has learned the hard way that even a President does not challenge Ayatollah Ali Khameini.

With an initial turnout of 65 percent in Iran's parliamentary election on Friday the political future of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad looks bleak.

Iran’s ultra-conservative Islamic clerical leadership is eager to restore the damage to its legitimacy, caused by the violent crackdown on dissent and claims of vote-rigging after Ahmadinejad's re-election in 2009.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who endorsed the 2009 result, has since turned sharply against Ahmadinejad.

Khameini, 72, and Ahmadinejad locked horns early last year in a contest of wills that observers say Iran's Supreme Leader, who has since called Ahmadinejad a religious 'deviant,' was destined to win.

Early results from Friday’s vote indicated the bombastic and divisive Ahmadinejad's supporters were losing ground in the 290-seat parliament.

His sister, Parvin Ahmadinejad, failed to win a seat in their hometown of Garmsar, the semi-official Mehr news agency said.

Elsewhere, Khamenei loyalists appeared to be doing well, but final results are expected on Saturday as the millions of ballots cast must be counted by hand.

The vote is expected to have little impact on Iran’s foreign or nuclear policies, in which Khamenei already has the final say, but could strengthen the Supreme Leader’s hand before a presidential vote next year.

Ahmadinejad, 56, cannot run for a third term and is facing a return to the relative obscurity he emerged from in 2003.

The outgoing parliament has summoned him to answer sharp charges next week about his handling of the economy in unprecedented hearings that will also delve into USD 2.4 billion in misdirected state funds.

But the vitriolic Ahmadinejad may try to turn the tables on his critics during the hearings in the hopes a dramatic public stand will shore up his position.

Global oil prices have spiked to 10-month highs on tensions between the West and Iran, OPEC’s second biggest crude producer.

Iran has been hard hit by Western sanctions over its refusal to halt sensitive nuclear activity that Israel, the United States, its Western allies, and Gulf Arab states say is dedicated to producing nuclear weapons.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who is in Washington for the American Israel Political Action Committee conference, is slated to meet with US president Barack Obama to discuss Iran.

Netanyahu is expected to demand Obama commit to a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities should it "cross nuclear red lines" marking a bid for weaponization of its nuclear stockpile.

Officials in Tehran have repeatedly called for the destruction of the Jewish state and referred to Israel as a "one bomb state."

Obama – who recently referred to US support for Israel as ‘sacrosanct’ – said Friday, “As president of the United States, I don’t bluff,” but simultaneously argued against a pre-emptive Israeli strike.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:41 PM

An slightly older article, from before the just held election:

Iran's censors wage web war against Ahmadinejad as elections loom


Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Revolutionary Guards seek to grab more power from president

Iranian censors have blocked access to a number of news websites sympathetic to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, adding further fuel to a high-level power struggle at the heart of the Islamic regime.

Authorities in charge of online censorship in Iran, who are believed to be close to the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and his powerful Revolutionary Guards, have in the past few days filtered a series of websites and blogs which were operating in support of Ahmadinejad and his allies.

The move comes ahead of parliamentary elections in March, described as the most sensitive in the history of the Islamic republic.

Digarban, an opposition website which monitors the activities of conservatives inside the regime, has identified a list of pro-Ahmadinejad websites blocked recently, including mahramane.com and www.rahapress.com.

Last year, it emerged that a rift had developed between Khamenei and his supporters on one side and Ahmadinejad and his allies on the other, each fighting for greater share of power over Iranian politics.

Opponents of Ahmadinejad accused him and his close confidant and chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, of attempting to undermine the clerical power and supremacy of Khamenei by advocating nationalistic causes in order to appeal to a larger number of Iranians.

Dozens of Ahmadinejad's allies have been arrested in recent months and media adviser Ali Akbar Javanfekr, one of his top aides, this week lost an appeal against a six-month jail term.

But Iran's parliamentary elections, scheduled for 2 March, are seen as an opportunity for Ahmadinejad to fight back. [THAT HAS NOT TRANSPIRED - furry animal]

The current parliament, which is dominated by Khamenei's people, has been critical of Ahmadinejad and has repeatedly threatened him with impeachment. In an unprecedented move, the parliament last week summoned Ahmadinejad to answer a series of questions over the government's handling of the economy and his personal judgments. Ahmadinejad has one month to appear before the parliament.

Iran's opposition and reformists have largely boycotted the coming poll, which will be the country's first elections since 2009, leaving it open for Ahmadinejad's team to oppose pro-Khamenei conservatives.

The Guardian Council, which vets all candidates before any election, has not yet announced the final list of those allowed to run but many analysts believe Ahmadinejad's allies are likely to hide their allegiances in order to avoid being barred. The council has delayed its announcement of the final list of approved candidates in an apparent move to allow little time for opponents to voice discontent.

The March vote, described by Iran's intelligence minister, Heidar Moslehi, as "the most sensitive" in the history of the Islamic republic, comes at a time when the regime is facing economic discontent at home and increasing international isolation because of western sanctions imposed after a dispute over the country's controversial nuclear activities.

The rhetoric between Iran and Israel has escalated over allegations about bomb attacks in capitals including Delhi, Tbilisi and Bangkok. Many analysts doubt that Tehran's foreign policy is controlled by Ahmadinejad's government and attribute it to Khamenei and his elite Revolutionary Guards.

Iran launched a fresh clampdown on web users last month, with draconian rules on cybercafes. In the past week, Iran has reacted to calls for fresh street protests over the house arrest of opposition leaders Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi by reducing internet speeds significantly and temporarily blocking access to emails.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:46 PM

Slightly older article again (early Feb 2012) on the issue of Ahmadinejad being summoned to be questioned before parliament.

A-Jad in Tehran's Hot Seat

Iran's parliament plans to summon President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to answer for his economic and foreign policy decisions - and more.

Iran's parliament on Tuesday announced it would summon President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for questioning over a long list of alleged policy failures.

It follows a petition by a group of lawmakers for a review of policy decisions by Ahmadinejad, who has come under increasing attacks in recent months from the same hard-liners who brought him to power.

Mohammad Reza Bahnoar, the parliament deputy speaker, said lawmakers have demanded that Ahmadinejad answer a slew of questions on the economy, including purportedly bypassing a special budget for the Tehran subway and public transportation.

He is also to be queried about foreign and domestic policy decisions, his failure to promote the Islamic dress code, and the unexplained dismissal of foreign minister Maouchehr Mottaki.

"There is a requirement for the president to answer questions in an open session of the parliament," said Bahnoar, whose parliament speech was broadcast live on Iranian state radio.

Under Iranian law, Ahmadjinejad has up to appear in parliament after one month. It's unclear what would happen if Ahmadinejad refuses to obey the summons.

The summons is the first of its kind for an Iranian president since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and comes ahead of the March 2 paliamentary elections and 2013 presidential race.

While questioning will be ostensibly focused on Ahmadinejad's foreign policy and economic decisions some analysts say the real source of parliament's ire is Ahmadinejad's power struggle with Supreme Leader Ayatolla Khameini

In 2011, Khamenei decided to reinstate intelligence minister, Heidar Moslehi, who was sacked by Ahmadinejad earlier that year. The incident led to Ahmadinejad bizarrely refusing to perform his duties for 11 days and is said to have fallen into a depression.

Khameini recently referred to Ahmadinejad as the leader of a 'deviant movement' after the Iranian president reportedly said he believed the 12th Imam - the final Imam and final savior of mankind - would reveal himself on June 5.

While some 85% of Iranian Shiite muslims are "twelvers" - adherents of the 12th Imam doctrine - most, including Khameini, object to ascribing a specific date to the event and instead maintain the 12th Imam is 'occluded.'

June 5th marks the day Israel launched its pre-emptive air strike in the 1967 'Six Day War" as Arab army's massed for the attack, which ultimately resulted in Israel's liberation of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:24 PM

Sounds like he is in for a 'rough ride' alright.

Re: bit in blue (besides not adding up) - that is quite a resounding vote result.

Iran lawmakers question Ahmadinejad over petrodollars

Parliament accuses president of failing to deposit $4 billion in revenue with the Treasury funds

Iranian lawnmakers accused Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government on Monday of failing to deposit billions of petrodollars with the Treasury, indicating the president was set for a rough ride from a newly elected parliament dominated by rival hardliners.

One day after election results showed Ahmadinejad's faction lost many seats in parliament, the assembly's budget committee voted to refer the case of the missing oil receipts to the judiciary, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported.

"Based on our estimates, the value of exported crude and condensates by the end of summer (March 21-Sept 22) amounted to $53.2 billion, from which $6.4 billion should have been deposited with country's Treasury funds," Mehr quoted a budget committee spokesman, Mehdi Fathias, as saying.

"However, the Central Bank has only deposited $2.4 billion with the treasury," Fathi said.

In a budget committee meeting attended by members of the outgoing parliament, 113 of the 195 present voted in favour of a report criticising the president and referring the case to the judiciary, two voted against and 22 abstained, Mehr said.

Ali Motahari, one of Ahmadinejad's most vocal critics in parliament, said lawmakers might seek to impeach the president if he failed to satisfy their concerns about a variety of issues.

"If the president fails to give convincing answers to the lawmakers' questions ... it is possible that they launch impeachment proceedings against him," Motahari told Mardomsalari daily.

Hostile Parliament

Friday's election further weakened Ahmadinejad's influence in an already hostile parliament and increased that of rival hardliners who consider he has moved too far from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Discord between the president and the leader surfaced in April after Khamenei reinstated Intelligence Minister Heidar Moslehi whom the president had sacked.

Since then, parliament increased its attacks on Ahmadinejad, threatening impeachment and blocking his choice of ministers.

Ahmadinejad still faces a summons, issued by parliament before the elections, to an unprecedented hearing to answer questions focusing on economic and foreign policy.

He faces questions about a $2.6 billion bank fraud and steadily growing inflation.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:12 PM

Sounds like Ahmadinejad is going down swingin'...

Iran’s parliament turns against Ahmadinejad

Talk of impeachment after president’s sarcastic performance when queried for disrespecting Khamenei, mismanaging economy

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s parliament grilled President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday over a long list of accusations, including that he mismanaged the nation’s economy and defied the authority of the country’s supreme leader.
Ahmadinejad is the first president in the country’s history to be hauled before the Iranian parliament, a serious blow to his standing in a conflict pitting him against lawmakers and the country’s powerful clerical establishment.
Iran’s constitution gives parliament the legal right to question the president, but the body had never before taken a step that undermined Ahmadinejad’s prestige and could set the stage for his subsequent impeachment should lawmakers determine his answers were unsatisfactory.
Ahmadinejad sniped back defiantly at his questioners, provoking the wrath of the chamber with jabs and sarcastic jokes. The disrespect drew strong condemnation from the lawmakers.

“If the parliament had supported Ahmadinejad before today, it’s now lost,” said lawmaker Mohammad Taqi Rahbar.
Rahbar like many other conservatives supported Ahmadinejad prior to April 2011, when the president publicly challenged Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has final say on all matters of state, over the appointment of the intelligence chief.
This — combined with the president’s perceived reluctant to heed expert economic advice — has convinced many hardliners that Ahmadinejad wanted to expand the powers of the Iranian presidency that was previously subordinate to clerical leaders.
Conservative lawmaker Ali Motahari, a prominent opponent of the president, read out a series of 10 questions to Ahmadinejad in an open session of parliament broadcast live on state radio.
Some of the most hard-hitting focused on Ahmadinejad’s refusal for 11 days to implement an order from Khamenei to reinstate intelligence minister Heidar Moslehi, who had been sacked by the president in April 2011.
Ahmadinejad flatly denied that he challenged Khamenei, answering as though there had never been any showdown with the supreme leader.
The president, who appeared in parliament accompanied by eight senior Cabinet members, was also asked about a dramatic hike in prices that has caused public dissatisfaction and his failure to provide a budget to Tehran’s subway system.
He was accused of speeding up implementation of an austerity plan to slash energy and food subsidies, raising prices for the middle class and the poor.
Ahmadinejad claimed his government has provided more money to municipalities than previous governments, and said price hikes has nothing to do with slashing subsidies.
Other biting questions were directed at Ahmadinejad’s support for his protege and top aide, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, who hard-liners accuse of heading a “deviant current” that sought to undermine Islamic rule and compromise the Islamic system. Some critics have even claimed that Mashaei conjured black magic spells to befuddle Ahmadinejad’s mind.
Dozens of Ahmadinejad’s political backers have been arrested or hounded out of the public eye by hard-line forces in recent months. Mashaei has been effectively blocked from his alleged goal of succeeding Ahmadinejad when the president’s term expires in 2013.
Instead of directly replying to the question, Ahmadinejad simply said he supports Iran’s “history” and doesn’t regret doing so.
Ahmadinejad repeatedly claimed he wants to share “jokes” with the lawmakers.
“Here is not a place to share jokes. This is the parliament. The president has no right to insult the legislature,” lawmaker Mohammad Reza Khabbaz told the chamber angrily.
Ahmadinejad’s closing words caused some of the largest uproar.
“It was not a very difficult quiz,” he said of the questioners. “To me, those who designed the questions were from among those who got a master’s degree by just pushing a button. If you had consulted us, better questions could have been drawn up,” he said.
The president said he must be given a top score on the “quiz.” ”Be fair. Give a good grade. Any grade of less than 20 (perfect) will be rude,” he said.
Many lawmakers angrily denounced Ahmadinejad’s performance, saying he insulted the elected parliament instead of responding to questions politely.
“The president’s language was insulting during his entire speech. He escaped answering the questions. As predicted, we didn’t receive any logical answer from the president,” lawmaker Mostafa Reza Hosseini said.
“The parliament is now very much against the president. He didn’t respect the house,” parliamentarian Ghodratollah Ali Khani said. “Hopefully, the next step is Ahmadinejad’s impeachment.”
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:06 PM

No love lost here.



‘Ahmadinejad set to challenge Iran’s ayatollahs’
Iranian president and his would-be successor aim to ‘dismantle the theocratic structure of the Iranian government,’ report says
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is planning an “extraordinary attack” on the political power of Iran’s clerics in an attempt to “separate mosque and state,” the Times of London reported.
Ahmadinejad, whose second and final presidential term ends in August, and his chief of staff and would-be-successor, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, intend to “effectively dismantle the theocratic structure of Iranian government that has stood since the revolution,” if Mashaei proves able to win the upcoming presidential election, Tuesday’s report said.
Mashaei, who is regarded as an opponent of the religious establishment, reportedly said during a recent planning meeting that he has “the deepest respect for the clerics, but they are not politicians. Their presence is damaging Iranian politics. Their role should be spiritual only. In the next four years we have an opportunity to change the constitution.” The quote was cited by an anonymous source who told the paper that Mashaei’s “implication was clear — he was endorsing a separation of mosque and state.”
However, winning the presidency in the June elections will not be an easy task for Mashaei. The list of candidates must be approved by a council controlled by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose relationship with the Ahmadinejad administration has been strained at the best of times and who is expected to support a candidate of his own choosing.
Even if Mashaei is approved to stand for election, he is not a nationally known figure and his close ties to Ahmadinejad could be detrimental to his chances.

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